Comments on: Private Languages http://secretvespers.com/2008/01/02/private-languages/ by Patrick Edwards-Daugherty Sun, 05 Feb 2012 14:37:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: ritz http://secretvespers.com/2008/01/02/private-languages/#comment-4695 ritz Tue, 05 Jan 2010 00:37:40 +0000 http://comicpress.secretvespers.com/2008/01/02/private-languages/#comment-4695 I have invented languages / to speak them and not be understood. i don't have to. I am almost always misunderstood without even trying. :) <i>Hint: In a world of lies, honesty is the antithesis.</i> I have invented languages / to speak them and not be understood.

i don’t have to.

I am almost always misunderstood without even trying. :)

Hint: In a world of lies, honesty is the antithesis.

]]> By: Jx. http://secretvespers.com/2008/01/02/private-languages/#comment-3256 Jx. Sun, 15 Mar 2009 05:19:13 +0000 http://comicpress.secretvespers.com/2008/01/02/private-languages/#comment-3256 I was on this amazing line of thought. I have a language. I tell you I love you with my eyes and you cant seem to understand it. Its okay. Ill wait. If you never understand or pretend not to, that is my answer in a nutcase. I was on this amazing line of thought. I have a language. I tell you I love you with my eyes and you cant seem to understand it. Its okay. Ill wait. If you never understand or pretend not to, that is my answer in a nutcase.

]]> By: dave goodwin http://secretvespers.com/2008/01/02/private-languages/#comment-3249 dave goodwin Fri, 13 Mar 2009 16:04:21 +0000 http://comicpress.secretvespers.com/2008/01/02/private-languages/#comment-3249 CRACK No one will even remember his name No real friends to mourn him now That’s the way it is when you die in shame Crack ! Heroin ! Cocaine ! Don’t put that poison I your vein It will only drive you insane ! How many more will die in disgrace ? Fated to die in shame Wondering around lost in space Crack ! Heroin ! Cocaine ! Don’t put that poison in your vein It will only drive you insane ! Just another victim of smack ! or crack ! Found dead with a needle in his vein Now he aint ever coming back ! Crack ! Heroin ! Cocaine ! Don’t put that poison in you vein It will only drive you insane ! He now stands at heavens door A lesson for all who remain ! Just another victim in this deadly drug war Crack ! Heroin ! Cocaine ! Don’t put that poison in your vein It will only drive you insane ! You don’t have to go the same way Don’t be led by so called friends into drugs shame More will die day after day ! Crack ! Heroin ! Cocaine ! Don’t put that poison in your vein It will only drive you insane ! Read then understand my words Then spread the message you have heard Drugs aren’t welcome whatever their name Crack ! Heroin ! Cocaine ! Don’t put that poison in your vein It will only drive you INSANE . DAVID BRIAN GOODWIN CRACK
No one will even remember his name
No real friends to mourn him now
That’s the way it is when you die in shame
Crack ! Heroin ! Cocaine !
Don’t put that poison I your vein
It will only drive you insane !
How many more will die in disgrace ?
Fated to die in shame
Wondering around lost in space
Crack ! Heroin ! Cocaine !
Don’t put that poison in your vein
It will only drive you insane !
Just another victim of smack ! or crack !
Found dead with a needle in his vein
Now he aint ever coming back !
Crack ! Heroin ! Cocaine !
Don’t put that poison in you vein
It will only drive you insane !
He now stands at heavens door
A lesson for all who remain !
Just another victim in this deadly drug war
Crack ! Heroin ! Cocaine !
Don’t put that poison in your vein
It will only drive you insane !
You don’t have to go the same way
Don’t be led by so called friends into drugs shame
More will die day after day !
Crack ! Heroin ! Cocaine !
Don’t put that poison in your vein
It will only drive you insane !
Read then understand my words
Then spread the message you have heard
Drugs aren’t welcome whatever their name
Crack ! Heroin ! Cocaine !
Don’t put that poison in your vein
It will only drive you INSANE .

DAVID BRIAN GOODWIN

]]> By: Somerled http://secretvespers.com/2008/01/02/private-languages/#comment-2407 Somerled Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:39:09 +0000 http://comicpress.secretvespers.com/2008/01/02/private-languages/#comment-2407 It's funny you comment here today, because I happen to be reading a lot of linguistics books and articles these days. There's this joke, a passer-by tells a linguist "Good morning." A couple blocks later the linguist is still wondering what he meant by that. It’s funny you comment here today, because I happen to be reading a lot of linguistics books and articles these days. There’s this joke, a passer-by tells a linguist “Good morning.” A couple blocks later the linguist is still wondering what he meant by that.

]]> By: katie http://secretvespers.com/2008/01/02/private-languages/#comment-2403 katie Sun, 09 Nov 2008 12:52:30 +0000 http://comicpress.secretvespers.com/2008/01/02/private-languages/#comment-2403 i've always had the suspicion that no one speaks the same language, that to each of us words have different meanings, and so no one is ever fully understood. or maybe that's just me. i’ve always had the suspicion that no one speaks the same language, that to each of us words have different meanings, and so no one is ever fully understood.

or maybe that’s just me.

]]> By: Sarah http://secretvespers.com/2008/01/02/private-languages/#comment-437 Sarah Sat, 15 Mar 2008 00:27:19 +0000 http://comicpress.secretvespers.com/2008/01/02/private-languages/#comment-437 In psychology it's called a "closure illusion." It's generally referred to in regards to optical perception, but I can agree that it extends to thought processes and information assimilation as well. In psychology it’s called a “closure illusion.” It’s generally referred to in regards to optical perception, but I can agree that it extends to thought processes and information assimilation as well.

]]> By: Madness http://secretvespers.com/2008/01/02/private-languages/#comment-421 Madness Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:45:26 +0000 http://comicpress.secretvespers.com/2008/01/02/private-languages/#comment-421 I can try. Quantum Mechanics teaches us that the only values we can measure are Averages. Before the measurement is done, to check a certain theory one must put together a "Wave function" - something that clues us in about what we can *expect* to find. I think this is true even beyond QM. Any gaps one has in their knowledge is usually filled with assumptions. If someone leaves a gap in the picture others draw of them, they will simply get it filled by what these others would expect to find there. This "Expectation value" is the average of such qualities as found in the immediate surroundings. So in effect, instead of differing themselves from others by being 'mysterious' and 'obscure', people simply get their image pushed towards the average. I can try.

Quantum Mechanics teaches us that the only values we can measure are Averages. Before the measurement is done, to check a certain theory one must put together a “Wave function” – something that clues us in about what we can *expect* to find.

I think this is true even beyond QM. Any gaps one has in their knowledge is usually filled with assumptions. If someone leaves a gap in the picture others draw of them, they will simply get it filled by what these others would expect to find there. This “Expectation value” is the average of such qualities as found in the immediate surroundings.

So in effect, instead of differing themselves from others by being ‘mysterious’ and ‘obscure’, people simply get their image pushed towards the average.

]]> By: Sarah http://secretvespers.com/2008/01/02/private-languages/#comment-402 Sarah Thu, 13 Mar 2008 03:46:10 +0000 http://comicpress.secretvespers.com/2008/01/02/private-languages/#comment-402 A tool doesn't have to be 100% reliable in order to still be effective. Yes, there are ideas and nuances to things that language can't always properly convey, but enough of our ideas are capable of being expressed that the language is still effective. Yes, there are disagreements as to the meaning and intention of some words, but they are far outweighed by the agreements. I still have to disagree that a purely abstract language would still be a language. Language is meant to convey ideas to others. If nobody else can understand your ideas then how is it a language? A tool doesn’t have to be 100% reliable in order to still be effective. Yes, there are ideas and nuances to things that language can’t always properly convey, but enough of our ideas are capable of being expressed that the language is still effective. Yes, there are disagreements as to the meaning and intention of some words, but they are far outweighed by the agreements. I still have to disagree that a purely abstract language would still be a language. Language is meant to convey ideas to others. If nobody else can understand your ideas then how is it a language?

]]> By: Almost http://secretvespers.com/2008/01/02/private-languages/#comment-400 Almost Thu, 13 Mar 2008 01:15:41 +0000 http://comicpress.secretvespers.com/2008/01/02/private-languages/#comment-400 Language is inevitably as much about disagreements as agreements. I don't think language is reliable enough to be thought of as a tool. Purely abstract languages are still languages. Can't we have ongoing unreliable disagreements about imperceptible things? :) Language is inevitably as much about disagreements as agreements.

I don’t think language is reliable enough to be thought of as a tool.

Purely abstract languages are still languages.

Can’t we have ongoing unreliable disagreements about imperceptible things? :)

]]> By: Almost http://secretvespers.com/2008/01/02/private-languages/#comment-399 Almost Thu, 13 Mar 2008 01:05:39 +0000 http://comicpress.secretvespers.com/2008/01/02/private-languages/#comment-399 Could you explain how, Madness? Could you explain how, Madness?

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